Outline of steps to take in forming the Governing Body

Step One?? May I suggest deciding on what basic responsibilities or areas where the body has jurisdiction over local Governments

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

- John Lennon

The more governments are built and believed in,
the less this will be...

Instead of building central and regional jurisdictions
(read impediments, rules and restrictions imposed by some "chosen ones"
over others) can we not encourage Freedom and such?

In a way this is what Peacegirl, and 'The Decline and Fall of all Evil' is proposing, but the reasoning of that book is so flawed as to be unuseable. On another forum they have gone over 40 pages back and forth with this. And she still didn't want to leave chapter 1 till everyone agreed with her, but somehow she got onto Chapter 4.

thedoc wrote:In a way this is what Peacegirl, and 'The Decline and Fall of all Evil' is proposing, but the reasoning of that book is so flawed as to be unuseable. On another forum they have gone over 40 pages back and forth with this. And she still didn't want to leave chapter 1 till everyone agreed with her, but somehow she got onto Chapter 4.

Still couldn't join the forum for some reason. The reasoning in the book may be unrealistic because most people can't get up to those ideals, but I think that Peacegirl is onto something, and I think it is an achievable ideal. Imagine!

Mayflow wrote:
but I think that Peacegirl is onto something, and I think it is an achievable ideal. Imagine!

The goal is certainly achievable, but he reached it by going backwards, reasoning what it would take to get there, and then building arguments to support the means. Too many times the author was reaching for proofs and useing unsound reasoning to do it. His lack of education was a serious handicap because he was useing terms in an unconvential way when there could have been better terms to use. He justified his nonstandard definitions by saying everyone else was confused as to what these terms ment and he was clarifying things. This has lead to a lot of confusion rather than clearing things up. It is possable that he thought that by making the whole thing sound so fantastic, everyone would rush to embrace it, but it has had the opposite effect for anyone who has tried to read it. I have managed to encourage her to move along, but I'm not sure how long the ruse will last.

Step #1 ~ Authority and Leadership

Who is "allowed" to have power within an "ideal" government??

All people? Just a few? One man? One woman? None else?

Shouldn't we put a child or monkey on top of the Throne of Man?? Why or why not?


If nobody can answer this question then we cannot rise to step #2.

Kristy, your answer is expected by 0900 tomorrow......

Actually i was thinking more in the lines of a democratic Republic form of Governing. Those elected by their people propose laws then the people that are citizens vote on the laws. mass participation via the net. It not "allowed" its votes.

Lets sayThat democratic Republic be top of the list. OK?
what powers should the body have?

Military/ police
health
education
trade
immigration
technology

then what powers within the powers? Step up folks lets at least propose outlines

Who made you Queen of the World to dictate that we should abide by a "Democratic Republic"??

I dispute your Authority here. Tell me one good reason that anybody should abide by a "Democracy" rather than say, Communism??


As for me, I obviously believe: Absolute Tyranny is the way. No votes, no nothing. Morons shouldn't believe their voice constitutes anything more than a dull droning noise.

Children shouldn't vote let alone believe their 'opinion' is worth a shit in this world.....

LOL, without any other valid suggestions it may as well stay. Being busy sniping is not much help. Tyranny only works well when the population is small and controlable by fear.

Making new governments is not the way to rebel or change things for the better. The way is mind control. I have spoken with other super leaders and we agree but the catch is (there is always a catch) we use this to set minds free. The world is actually chaotic and pregnant with infinite possibilities, so we decree Operation Illumination and it is hereby launched. Heh, talk about leadership - Lead by command, not by demand.

Username, I'll find a way to dumb it down enough for you, well if I decide to.

Mayflow I am curious how those, who either will not, or cannot, accept this new freedom and responsability, will be accomidated. For example satyr believes he is superior to everyone else, you will need to open his closed mind to the truth. With a closed mind it is like the ego is opaque and light can neither enter or shine out, but when the mind is open the ego is transparent and the light from within can shine out, and light of illumination can enter.

kriswest wrote:LOL, without any other valid suggestions it may as well stay.

And YOU are the judge of Validity??

You don't even understand basic logic, girl. You know this is true. You are no authority on 'validity' when I walk all over you in any given argument/discussion/etc. So you basically just invalidated yourself. You shot yourself in the foot at this point, good job.

kriswest wrote:Being busy sniping is not much help.

It obviously is necessary since you are deluded into believing 'Democracy' is some great necessary thing.

It's not. Communism is just as 'valid' as Democracy. If you can prove otherwise then you may have a point.

kriswest wrote:Tyranny only works well when the population is small and controlable by fear.

No no no...... Tyranny works best when the population is very, very large.

And all populations are controlled by fear so that point is moot.

Think of the heights of the Roman Empire. Emperors reigned supreme. It's a natural, social progression.

So you wish tyranny user OK. Mayflow has operation Illumination, a Communism vote sort of from user and democratic republic is mine.

Logic and Governing? How do you logically expect to create fear when the population outnumbers the government? Take a look at countries right now Tyrants are falling. People are waking up to that simple fact. If you kill everyone who are you going to rule? Fear is far from logical, it only lasts a short time then rebellion occurs

kriswest wrote:So you wish tyranny user OK. Mayflow has operation Illumination, a Communism vote sort of from user and democratic republic is mine.

You apparently do not know why & how "voting" exists.

It exists to fool plebs (like you) into believing their opinions are important, heard, and respected by elites. They are not.

Opinions are the shit that I need scrub-off my boots.

kriswest wrote:Logic and Governing? How do you logically expect to create fear when the population outnumbers the government?

Cull the regional warlords of any particular society, like the US military does in Afghanistan.

Order is maintained through Bribery and Fear of retaliation, as it always had been throughout Human History and Civilization.

kriswest wrote:Take a look at countries right now Tyrants are falling. People are waking up to that simple fact.

There is no "waking-up". US and European military forces are attacking & occupying "rogue" nations which readily do not bend to their will. There are politics occurring on levels you cannot even comprehend, woman.

kriswest wrote:If you kill everyone who are you going to rule?

Everybody are already sheep; all one needs to do is kill the Shepherd and direct the flock into a new direction.

That's not difficult or complex. It's simple logic & reasoning.

kriswest wrote:Fear is far from logical, it only lasts a short time then rebellion occurs

Fear is not the only device of control available.

There are others and a whole bag of tools are used to control entire populations of people.

Your mind is not cut-out for this stuff, woman. You should stick to raising weak children, who cannot rebel, who have no strength to rebel. That is where you have developed your false sense-of-responsibility that you are a "good leader" or even capable. You're not. Children are the easiest to control of all people because they are most susceptible to threats of violence or sex.