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Post  kriswest on Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:27 pm

First on the list probably not the last and he just might be back, it would be typical behavior for any disgruntled leader to leave a Governing forum and then come back. Maybe maybe not fifty fifty the way I see it. As of right now we count Username out per his request. Until he requests otherwise we can ignore any future postings from him as he has abdicated his position. We need more bodies and we need them to be from different cultures/beliefs. Otherwise there is no reality.

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Post  Mayflow on Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:50 pm

While username maybe had energy, I never found the posts of any philosophical value or very thought inspiring other than saying things like Look I have a dick, so I am smart, and if you are a female you must suck my dick? Don't take this ONLY literally, but I never saw anything more to it's input here than that. If the boy does return, I hope there is something more to the posts than that?
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Post  kriswest on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:43 pm

His attitude is a rather common one world wide , one that must be included in any part. Conservative male dominate cultures are a real part of society. How they are handled is important.

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Post  Mayflow on Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:54 pm

kriswest wrote:His attitude is a rather common one world wide , one that must be included in any part. Conservative male dominate cultures are a real part of society. How they are handled is important.

I am not sure if that is true or not. Of course I agree that that sort of attitude is prevalent and it is terribly ego constricted and confused. In the case of username it is not much of anything - but there are those like George Bush, and Gaddafi and many others who have caused the war deaths and horrids upon many. Yeah, I think it is time we change this. You are looking for a completely new paradigm shift, so ok we can do it. Very Happy
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Post  thedoc on Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:14 pm

kriswest wrote:His attitude is a rather common one world wide , one that must be included in any part. Conservative male dominate cultures are a real part of society. How they are handled is important.

I will agree that his attitude was common and tollerated, in some ways encouraged, but I will side with Mayflow, but I will add that this attitude does not need to be accomidated in an ideal society. In fact it would be at odds with such a society. In an ideal society each member would fully understand their rights and responsabilities, The Governing body and the laws are to control those who do not wish to stay within civil limits. Those who wish to dominate, those who wish to control, those who wish to take what they are not entitled to, must all be controled and restricted. With these kind of people the honor system will not work, they must be identified and removed from the rest of society. But this is the problem, how do you identify those who willfully live outside accepted conventions. To devise some test before hand would be to restrict someone who "may not engage in these activities", but the alternative is to wait till they preform such an act and then restrict them. No society is viable where any gender, race, or group can dominate any other, such a society is a failure from the start. Any individual who wishes to dominate others must be eliminated or seperated from the rest of society, in a way this sounds like the end product of 'peacegirls' proposal but unfortunately her means were unworkable and false.

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Post  kriswest on Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:29 pm

Doc if that view is hidden pushed aside , ignored it becomes a martyr and in ways stronger. Many Muslims and many conservative Christians, conservative Jewish, etc,etc.. hold those views Its not a small percentage, its worldwide, multicultural/ multireligion. Their values and sentiment have to be addressed and considered even though distasteful. Martyred causes have caused many many social problems. Do you really want a collaberation of worldwide martyrs? He made some valid points even though he spent most of his time pushing buttons. That type does that. It occurs it will occur it has to be handled not swept aside or buried. Cuz that just does not work. History proves that too many times. There has to be ways to bring them in and work with them. Otherwise it all fails. Thats why we are here to find new ways not redo or dress up old ones that don't work.

And yes May that is exactly what I am looking for. Very Happy

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Post  Mayflow on Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:12 pm

kriswest wrote:Doc if that view is hidden pushed aside , ignored it becomes a martyr and in ways stronger. Many Muslims and many conservative Christians, conservative Jewish, etc,etc.. hold those views Its not a small percentage, its worldwide, multicultural/ multireligion. Their values and sentiment have to be addressed and considered even though distasteful. Martyred causes have caused many many social problems. Do you really want a collaberation of worldwide martyrs? He made some valid points even though he spent most of his time pushing buttons. That type does that. It occurs it will occur it has to be handled not swept aside or buried. Cuz that just does not work. History proves that too many times. There has to be ways to bring them in and work with them. Otherwise it all fails. Thats why we are here to find new ways not redo or dress up old ones that don't work.

And yes May that is exactly what I am looking for. Very Happy

Staying with the old a bit, yes certain views not really liked overall by the viewer can be suppressed and then have and hold some pretty strong influence on the sublimated aspects of the mind. If the mind decides it is all a part of everything, it has to include such as username, and a whole lot worse and even more deluded things. A garden to grow tomatoes needs good soil and air and water and sunshine and all sorts of things, and while it can grow in the wild, it will likely grow better with a loving and caring gardener.
Now Kris, you are like a Bodhisattva - which is a being who is either enlightened or destined to be enlightened. No possible power can stop this from happening. Now, that said, how to create a new human paradigm?
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Post  kriswest on Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:54 pm

Very Happy What is the best fertilizer for that Tomato plant? The best pest controllers are other pests, did you know that? LOL May The only way to start is to understand what has gone wrong and why. As I asked User before Who's morality should we use? In some ways he was right about a few things. Even a pest or feces has its positive uses. That is one thing we must look at. where is there a rightness in those like him. Its way too easy to see only the wrong and that is what causes many problems. Suppressing all in order to suppress the bad. If light is given to the good, then that can salve the bad.
We must allow for the many to become one and the one to encourage the many. That is the trick we must discover. For that we need other minds not just ours. We have to pick each others brains . We start by figuring out the limits of the governing body. We need different voices for that. Because it cannot be one over all.

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