Building a world Governing body

Username wrote:

kriswest wrote:
The internet and the worldwide citizen access to it is going to be a major part. I propose A congress that proposes laws and allows the citizenry to vote on which laws.

How about foreigners and illegal immigrants?

If the citizenry is worldwide via access to the internet, where are the foreigners and illegal immigrants coming from? Is this an example of 'superior' clear thinking?

thedoc wrote:

Username wrote:

kriswest wrote:
The internet and the worldwide citizen access to it is going to be a major part. I propose A congress that proposes laws and allows the citizenry to vote on which laws.

How about foreigners and illegal immigrants?

If the citizenry is worldwide via access to the internet, where are the foreigners and illegal immigrants coming from? Is this an example of 'superior' clear thinking?

Username is just playing games, Doc. Games are fun and usable, even ego games. When I posted the philosophy of the Empty Ego, I realized how much it makes sense and works. On the other hand, I may be over-estimating Username as he seems to never be able to discuss physics or philosophy. I see him presently as someone like mulla.

Mulla has deductive reasoning! Deductive Reasoning "How old are you, mulla? someone asked, 'Three years older than my brother. 'How do you know that?' 'Reasoning. Last year I heard my brother tell someone that i was two years older than him. A year has passed. That means that I am older by one year. I shall soon be old enough to be his grandfather.'

I may make him a general in my new army of rebellion against ignorance, but I still am awaiting any sort of credentials.

Mayflow wrote:
Username is just playing games, Doc. Games are fun and usable, even ego games.
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I knew that, I like games to, I was just curious to see the response. Sometimes you just drop a little bait to see what nibbles. I've delt with satyr and apaosha before, it can be amusing.

thedoc wrote:

Mayflow wrote:
Username is just playing games, Doc. Games are fun and usable, even ego games.
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I knew that, I like games to, I was just curious to see the response. Sometimes you just drop a little bait to see what nibbles. I've delt with satyr and apaosha before, it can be amusing.

Very amusing to be assured. I still await to see if he can up his game. - Like to something beyond his current self imposed limitations? How cool would that be? He really appears to have a strong and resilient mind at least within certain confines. I sincerely hope he doesn't think dissing women is a strength, but is only using it as a ruse (which completely is NOT working) - do you think he is smart enough to create a new ruse, since that one doesn't work on anyone here?

Mayflow wrote:
Very amusing to be assured. I still await to see if he can up his game. - Like to something beyond his current self imposed limitations? How cool would that be? He really appears to have a strong and resilient mind at least within certain confines. I sincerely hope he doesn't think dissing women is a strength, but is only using it as a ruse (which completely is NOT working) - do you think he is smart enough to create a new ruse, since that one doesn't work on anyone here?

I certainly think he can create a new ruse, however I would not want to characterise whether he is really smart or not. Unfortunately much of his present persona seems to be based on a juvenile macho image being projected, but what he is masking I don't know. Also he seems to have a lot of questionable psychology and philosophy in his repertoire, but we will see where this goes. I would be more comfortable without the abuse.

thedoc wrote:If the citizenry is worldwide via access to the internet, where are the foreigners and illegal immigrants coming from? Is this an example of 'superior' clear thinking?

Internet access is restricted to First and Second world countries.

Foreigners and 'illegals' come from the Second World and lower.....

I personally do not want scum, animal people stinking-up my perfect-ideal-society by shitting and fucking in the middle of the street. Do you?? Do you want people to run wild, naked, fucking, fighting, killing each other??

I guess that means we need to create a Morally Superior, Dominant, and Powerful Oligarchy to mind control and cull the entire populace....

Don't you see how this quickly becomes more & more complex??


If you people think 'leading' other people is easy then you severely are mistaken.....

Good thing men, the male-gender, not females/women, are natural born Leaders.

In this case everyone is foreign to each other and that my friends is the point. Again: if we who do not crave power cannot work together then how can we expect those who do crave power to work together?

Those who crave power have no reason to share it. Why would I share power with anyone??

All power is taken, or conquered, from others. There is no pleasure without inflicting pain on another.

This is true even in consuming food, oil, water, etc. By consuming a resource, you deprive it from another location.

Not sharing power works only if people know you. If people do not know you then you have no power. You can crave all you want but without knowledge there is no power.
Your view on power validates your reason for being here.

kriswest wrote:In this case everyone is foreign to each other and that my friends is the point. Again: if we who do not crave power cannot work together then how can we expect those who do crave power to work together?

Tricky question. Why is it desirable to want those who crave power over others to work together? Hitler got many to do that and it didn't work out real well for him. I personally think that those who desire power over others, are not very high on the evolutionary scale. That is why I lean towards ideas like the operation illumination. Rather than governing, elucidate. Or at least offer freedom. Catch of course is that you have to be confident and feel your own freedom first! Tyranny is the the kiss of death in today's governmental processes and it is being shown that it produces rebellions that will topple it every time.

Those who crave power are usually the least qualified to use it. Too many times those who are qualified to use that power are not willing to sacrafice their own life to the pressure and stress of the job. This is why elections for public office is so frustrating, those most qualified do not run and we are left with others, who are not as well qualified, but lust after the prestige and authority.

kriswest wrote:
Lets dedicate all things on this forum to building a world Government that suits the majority of the people in the world.

And there is the problem a world Government must be flexable enough and all encompasing enough to accomidate all the people of the world. How can you justify letting some people out of the process? One size does not fit all.

Kristy is not intelligent-enough a person to understand, let alone solve, such (governmental) problems.

This is why women/females make horrible, horrible leaders. They are too emotional & irrational.

It's also why there has never existed a single female philosopher in the history of mankind.

As doc has put it, Kristy, you no longer have any 'valid' judgments relating to Government based-upon how you so quickly appeal to the Majority, also known as: "Mob Rule".

Great job. Truly feminine. After all, females flock around power. And there is strength in number.

Everything is going as expected. Everyone has introduced themselves after a fashion,, put lines on the ground for territorial marking,, and now the questions begin... yep its working.
I am not the leader here everyone is, I only opened a door gave an idea and invited you all in plus one more. That one has yet to make their presence or decide.
You all decided to do this . You lead yourself here. You all believe in something , you all represent portions of the human population. Somewhere inside you all there is that ego that is getting up off that armchair and wanting to participate, to be better than those that have gone before you. Problems questions resolutions etc. The only power that is here is each of you. You each have made the normal presumptions of your potential opponent. You are competing you are positioning yourselves for this idea. Think about the processes and what you know about humans. Everyone here knows something different. Again welcome to reality, this microcosm of reality that is.


You are getting down to the process of developing a government by bringing up those questions, problems etc. and challenging ideals.
Perhaps now we can actually try to do things in order folks?
I will, if no one minds, start a citizenship thread where we can discuss the hows the whys and the whats of being a citizen. Primarily should all people have a vote?
In my mind I would have to say no. But thats for the thread and not here.
Anyone wish to start the citizenship thread? User, Doc??? May has chosen Military/police.